La Libye, l'autre pays du mirage

[abounouwas]

Saïf Al-Islam Kadhafi propose des élections en Libye "dans les trois mois"
LEMONDE.FR avec AFP et Reuters | 16.06.11 | 12h35  •  Mis à jour le 16.06.11 | 12h42

Dans un entretien au quotidien italien Corriere della Sera publié ce jeudi, Saïf Al-Islam Kadhafi déclare que le clan Kadhafi est prêt à accepter des élections "dans les trois mois" en Libye, sous la supervision d'observateurs internationaux. Selon le fils du dirigeant libyen, présenté comme un possible successeur de son père, "des élections pourraient se tenir dans les trois mois. Au maximum d'ici la fin de l'année. Et la garantie de leur transparence pourrait être la présence d'observateurs internationaux".

"Nous ne nous formalisons pas sur lesquels [observateurs]. Nous acceptons l'Union européenne, l'Union africaine, les Nations unies, même l'OTAN, l'important étant que le scrutin soit propre, qu'il n'y ait pas de soupçons d'embrouilles", ajoute M. Kadhafi, que le Corriere della Sera a interviewé mardi à l'hôtel Radisson Blu de Tripoli, alors que la personnalité annoncée pour l'interview était le ministre des affaires étrangères, Abdelati Al-Obeïdi.

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"Je ne doute pas un seul instant que l'écrasante majorité des Libyens soutient mon père et considère les rebelles comme des islamistes fanatiques et fondamentalistes, des terroristes soutenus par des étrangers, des mercenaires à la solde de Sarkozy", a-t-il poursuivi. Interrogé sur le pays le plus à même d'aider la Libye à accéder à la démocratie, Saïf Al-Islam Kadhafi cite la France. "On a déjà eu des contacts avec Paris, pour l'instant sans suite. Ce sont eux [les Français] qui impulsent la politique du gouvernement de Benghazi (...). Donc c'est à eux que revient le devoir de chercher une sortie qui soit la moins sanglante possible", ajoute-t-il.

Le fils aîné du chef d'Etat libyen estime que son père, âgé de 68 ans, serait prêt à quitter le pouvoir en cas de défaite électorale. En revanche, il n'est en aucun cas disposé à quitter le territoire libyen pour partir en exil. Saïf Al-Islam Kadhafi ajoute qu'"un mécanisme devra être mis en place" pour garantir l'intégrité des chefs de l'opposition pour ce scrutin.

La rébellion a encore remporté de nouveaux succès mercredi dans l'ouest de la Libye en prenant le contrôle de localités sur la route de Tripoli, au moment où les raids de l'OTAN se poursuivent et où le régime paraît sérieusement affaibli.

[Doctor No]

Tu verras la réponse....ce sera non.

Les "démocrates" ne se risqueront pas à une élection dont ils ont toutes les chances de la perdre vu que je vois mal des libyens aller voter pour ceux qui poussent aux bombardements et qui convoitent leur pétrole.

La seul "solution" de ceux qui bombardent la population civile sous prétexte de "la protéger" (voir les innombrables cas des victimes civiles, aujourd'hui un bus d’enfants) est l’éviction de Gadahfi ET la prise du pouvoir des pantins des impérialistes; le ramassis des intégristes, réactionnaires pro-"roi", ex-Gadahfiqtes et autres agents des "services" qui composent le CNT.

Autrement, comment vont-ils s'emparer complètement du pétrole? Comment vont-ils utiliser cette plateforme stratégique à leur guise? Comment Sarkozy pourra plastronner devant les caméras du "succès" de la politique extérieure?

La "guerre" (qui doit faire marrer les USA vu les hésitations, les manques des moyens budgétaires des agresseurs) se joue à qui tient le plus.

La manœuvre dilatoire du fils est un aveu de faiblesse, mais les allégations des amiraux et des colonels ( ils tendent la sébile) en sont une aussi. Qui lâchera le premier? En tout cas, nous on payera pour que Sarko ne perde pas la face.

Mais qui nous dit (comment le savoir d'ailleurs vu que toutes les infos sont concentrées dans les mains des impérialistes qui bloquent tout accès, même par internet, à la presse libyenne?) quelle sera la réaction de la population libyenne devant cette flagrante agression impérialiste pour le pillage de leurs ressources naturelles?.

Perso, au Chili, sous Pinochet, je me serais opposé de toutes mes forces à toutes intervention impérialiste, même dirigé contre Pinochet sous la forme, mais en réalité (comme toujours) pour piller les ressource naturelles.

C'est une réaction naturelle, et je pense que les libyens doivent réagit pareil.

Vive la lutte des nations opprimés et saquées contre les agressions impérialistes!.

[jedi69]

Wesh les amis !!!

Bien ou bien ?

Perso, au Chili, sous Pinochet, je me serais opposé de toutes mes forces à toutes intervention impérialiste, même dirigé contre Pinochet sous la forme, mais en réalité (comme toujours) pour piller les ressource naturelles.

C'est une réaction naturelle, et je pense que les libyens doivent réagit pareil.

Vive la lutte des nations opprimés et saquées contre les agressions impérialistes!.

T'as pas besoin d'imaginer cette situation ... tu peux dire :

Mais qui nous dit (comment le savoir d'ailleurs vu que toutes les infos sont concentrées dans les mains des impérialistes qui bloquent tout accès, même par internet, à la presse libyenne?) quelle sera la réaction de la population libyenne devant cette flagrante agression impérialiste pour le pillage de leurs ressources naturelles?.

Perso, au Chili, sous Allende, je me suis opposé de toutes mes forces à l'intervention impérialiste qui a aidé Pinochet, même dirigé contre Allende sous la forme, mais en réalité (comme toujours) pour piller les ressource naturelles.

C'est une réaction naturelle, et je pense que les libyens doivent réagir pareil.

Vive la lutte des nations opprimés et saquées contre les agressions impérialistes!.

Et comme d'habitude t'oublieras la mobilisation quasi insurrectionnel des travailleurs au Chili, chose qui n'a pas eu lieu en Libye contrairement au pays voisins : Tunisie et Égypte et autres pays arabes ... sur ce terrain l'internationalisme est beaucoup plus flagrant ... sans parler de l'actualité en Espagne et en Grèce ... En Libye le peu d'exploités, de petits bourgeois qui se sont mobilisés au début contre Kadafi, se protègent de Kadafi, et des bombes des Impérialistes, donc aussi de la CNT ... et je parle pas de l’écrasante majorité de la population : les exploités, les opprimés.

C'est en niant la combativité des travailleurs, leur internationalisme autour de la Méditerranée, dans le monde, au sein de l'Impérialisme et des pays opprimée que tu tombes dans le nationalisme, t'as beau l'accompagné d'opprimée et saquée en imitant vulgairement Lénine, ça reste du chauvinisme ... surtout quand tu fais de la fanfaronnade : "triomphe de kadafi, le leader nationaliste triomphant"

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[Doctor No]

S'il vous restent encore des illusions sur les "rebelles", lisez ceci
Socialist Fight GB summer/spring 2011 issue

Not any type of revolution but a counter-revolution
We must emphasis at the outset that the uprising in Libya is not any type of revolution but a counter-revolution, with an imperialist-backed and CIA sponsored leadership. It is a continuation of a whole seriesof reactionary attempts to restore the Monarchy and tribal privileges on behalf of US and westernimperialism which began soon after Gaddafi took power in 1969 and have continued sporadically eversince. The only flag flown by the rebels is that of the imperialist-imposed monarchy of King Idris (1951-69).This uprising has become in fact the central stratagem of imperialism to counter and defeat the greatprogressive uprising in Tunisia, Egypt and Bahrain in particular, all of which have a powerful working class attheir base and therefore the inherent possibility of moving towards socialist revolution if a revolutionaryTrotskyist leadership can emerge to lead on this on the political perspective of Trotskys PermanentRevolution.Having taken the side of the rebels in the mistaken belief that this was a continuation of the Tunisian andEgyptian uprisings our revolutionaries (so dubbed by
The Guardian
, for instance, who see no irony inimperialism backing revolutionaries) have accepted the backing of every imperialist government in theworld and every reactionary regime in the Gulf. Their leftist supporters can draw no conclusion from howthe balance of class forces internationally has developed. According to the Agence France Presse (March 7),The Gulf Cooperation Council (Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates)demands that the UN Security Council take all necessary measures to protect civilians, including enforcing ano-fly zone over Libya.France has recognised the rebels as the legitimate government of Libya and the Arab League has sided withthem (against the opposition of Syria and Algeria), demanding imperialist intervention. David Cameron andNicolas Sarkozy have been to the forefront in demanding urgent imperialist intervention. A meeting onMarch 2 in the British parliament of the Henry Jackson Society urged the Prime Minister to stand fast in hiscommitment to put a stop to the crimes of Colonel Gaddafi, including through the implementation of a no-fly zone and active assistance to Libyan opposition movements in conjunction with our allies. Stars of themeeting were that fearless champion of the oppressed and seeker after truth whom Israel asked to conductthe whitewash investigation into its murderous commando raid on the aid flotilla to Gaza, Nobel PeacePrize Winner Lord David Trimble, joined by such fellow fearless champions of the world revolution as KhaeriAboushagor (UK Representative of the [CIA-sponsored] Libyan League for Human Rights) and Air Vice-Marshal Tony Mason, CB, CBE, DL, the former Air Secretary for the RAF.As for the naïve notion that these masses must be the same as the masses in Tunisia and Egypt have weforgotten about the deluded pro-imperialist masses that brought about the fall of the Berlin Wall, theVelvet revolution, the Orange revolution and all the other coloured so-called revolutions (in realitycounter-revolutions) that imperialism sponsored and the CIA facilitated in recent years? There is noindication whatsoever in Libya of any progressive political tension let alone conflict between the base and
the leadership of the rebels, unlike in Egypt and Tunisia. But there are al Qaeda CIA backed opponents whoare even more opposed to the organised working class. In Tunisia in particular the masses are pressing onwith the revolution and succeeding in pushing aside more leaders from the old regime who have emergedhoping to stabilise their rule. Egypt will also succeed in deepening its revolution in like manner as with theBahrainis, we are absolutely confident.Trotsky was somewhat more sanguine about these masses:But the masses are by no means identical: there are revolutionary masses, there are passive masses, thereare reactionary masses. The very same masses are at different times inspired by different moods andobjectives. It is just for this reason that a centralized organization of the vanguard is indispensable. Only aparty, wielding the authority it has won, is capable of overcoming the vacillation of the massesthemselves.
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In Libya we had a reactionary leadership who knew how to divert these masses against black workers firstand then in favour of imperialism.According to David Rothscum, The main opposition group in Libya now is the National Front for theSalvation of Libya. This opposition group is being funded by Saudi Arabia, the CIA, and French Intelligence.This group unified itself with other opposition groups, to become the National Conference for the LibyanOpposition. It was this organization that called for the Day of Rage that plunged Libya into chaos onFebruary 17 of this year.
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Despite the fact that there was a huge and unexpected response to this call, nodoubt inspired by the events in Tunisia and Egypt, we are not foolish enough to think that the CIA is capableof fostering that out of nothing. However there was never any suggestion that the reactionary leadershipwere under political threat from the risen masses. Indeed the targeting of the black mercenaries as agentsof Gaddafi and the reported execution of 100 of them was surely a move by this leadership to ensure thatno opposition could emerge from the working class

[yannalan]

C'est quoi, Socialist Fight ?

[Doctor No]

C'est un petit groupe trotskyste anglais qui a pour site http://www.scrib.com/Gerry%20Downing/documents. Ils étaient présents à la fête de LO avec un stand dans la cité politique. Parait-il un peu invités par Worker's Fight, selon ce que j'ai compris.

Ils publient une revue Socialist Fight où se trouve l'article "The soft left's foolish illusions in Benghazi's rebel" qui peut se lire avec profit. Et une déclaration commune avec d'autres groupes sur la question qui peut aussi se lire avec profit. En tout cas, j'en ai tiré profit.

Ils montrent que les "rebelles" ne sont que l'avant garde de la réaction et de l'impérialisme en Libye.

Avant garde destiné à s'en défaire du "régime le plus antiimpérialiste, le plus égalitaire, le plus anti zioniste de la région et cible des impérialistes et de leurs agences de propagande" (ou de presse, selon votre gout).

Ils font d'autres considération importantes.

Leur mot d'ordre est quelque peu irréaliste bien que politiquement correct. Des trotskystes pas mal, à mon avis.

J'aurais copié des larges extraits de leur position sur la question, mais hélas, je ne sais pas faire, le format est tel que je n'arrive pas. Notamment comment ils montrent que les "rebelles" sont en fait des contre-révolutionnaires à la solde des impérialistes; comment les "trotskistes" se sont engrumelés les pieds sur la question, et encore d'autres informations sur la question Égyptienne et libyenne.

[abounouwas]

les docs sont sur l'hébergeur scribd.com

[Doctor No]

Allez, j'essaie
Si quelqu'un peut améliorer le format je lui serais reconnaissant.

Leon Trotsky: I am confident of the victory of the Fourth International; Go Forward!
Statement on Libya by the Liga Comunista of Brazil, the RevolutionaryMarxist Group of South Africa and Socialist Fight of Britain
21 April 2011

Declaration to the workers of the worldand their internationalist vanguard
For the unconditional defence of Libya againstImperialism!For a Military United Front with Gaddafi to de-feat NATO and the CIA armed "rebels"!No confidence in the government of Tripoli; onlyby arming all the people and by the permanentrevolution can we win the struggle!
T
he global economic crisis has increasedthe appetites of Imperialism to appropri-ate the planet's riches by super exploitingthe working class and recolonisation.Capitalist governments of the world have movedenormous sums of money from state coffers tolarge private capitalist financial intuitions in the
name of saving capitalism’s crisis cause by specu-
lation. Now the bourgeois governments are seek-ing to recapitalise their coffers. For this, they forcethe working class to pay the price of this financialorgy. This payment is made through fiscal adjust-ments, the attacks on wages, and victories overunionised labor and the attack on social security,etc. It has also increased the cost of living for themasses, and increased inter-Imperial competitionin the semi-colonies.In Europe, from Greece to Ireland, popular resis-tance was restrained by pro-Imperialist partyleaders and trade unions. In Wisconsin in the USAworkers leaders linked to the Democratic Partydid the same. In Latin America, so far, but not forlong, the governments of the "centre left" aredelaying and dampening social conflict by thecontrol they exert over mass organiza-tions. Obama ordered the start of the bombing onLibya when he was with the pro-imperialist Presi-dent Dilma Vana Rousseff, in Brazil.In Africa the liberal bourgeois opposition to dicta-torships in Tunisia and Egypt made democratictransition arrangements to install new puppetgovernments to stabilise the country and keep itsympathetic to the U.S. and Israel. We do notconsider these processes as "Arab revolution" or"democratic revolutions." These popular uprisingare genuine expressions of the outrage at priceincreases and increased oppression caused by theimperialist crisis which began in 2008 but Imperi-alism seek to divert these potential revolutionarysituations enhance and extend its dominance inAfrica and the Middle East.If Imperialism cannot take ownership peacefullyas in the fraudulent referendum that divided theSudan, then the UN will come to occupy the coun-try by military force and impose their fraudulentelections as happened in Ivory Coast. All this, withthe support of the African Union and the ANCgovernment in South Africa.In Libya, Syria and Iran, Imperialism seeks to ac-complish coups camouflaged as "democratic", bytaking advantage of the "popular uprising" inneighbouring countries. In Iran, the U.S. and Israelseek to revive the reactionary "green revolution".In Syria U.S. Imperialism and its Zionistenclave strive to create the same sce-nario of civil war to justify anothermilitary intervention. In Libya, Imperial-ism made a qualitative leap in its inter-vention. Not only by what it did afterstarting the "rebellion", but they hadalso prepared beforehand. A "revolt" inLibya is not any kind of revolution, but acounterrevolution, directed by Imperial-ism and supported and sponsored bythe CIA. It is the continuation of a seriesof attempts to restore the monarchyand tribal privileges in favour of U.S.and European Union, which beganshortly after Gaddafi took power in1969 and continued sporadically sincethen. Not coincidentally, the flag of the"rebels" is the flag of the monarchyimposed by Imperialism, the flag of thepuppet King Idris (1951-1969).Rebel leaders in Libya were CIA agents from thebeginning, as were the anti-Chavez coup leadersin Venezuela in 2002. Imperialism, headed by theU.S. and France, seek to balkanised Libya, as it didin Yugoslavia or to dominate it together, as inAfghanistan and Iraq. We have also have seen thisin Bolivia, where Evo Morales surrendered a largershare of the revenues from gas exploration to thepro-Imperialist coup makers in the east of thecountry.Those who hold the naïve notion that what hap-pens in Libya is a revolution of "masses" and acontinuation of the riots in Tunisia and Egypt, theyforget that the masses have been duped by thefall of the Berlin Wall, the Velvet Revolution(Czechoslovakia), the Orange Revolution (Ukraine)
and all other ‘revolutions’ made in the CIA. They
were all, in fact, counter-revolutions, sponsoredby Imperialism.Since the new escalation of Israeli attacks againstPalestinians 20 Palestinians have been killed and50 wounded in the worst Israeli offensive in Gazafor two years. It is the bloodiest attack since the2008 military operation that killed 1,400 Palestini-ans. We are for the destruction of the Zionist stateof Israel and for a multi-
ethnic workers’ and peas-ants’ government a based on workers’ and peas-ants’ councils.

For 21 years Hosni Mubarak’s National Democ-
ratic Party (NDP) in Egypt was a member of theSocialist (Second) International (SI) alongside theNew Zealand Labour Party, the Australian LaborParty and the British Labour Party. The SI onlyexpelled the NDP in January 2011, after the massdemonstrations emerged that brought downMubarak, but not the NDP. But true to its longhistory of defending British Imperialism BritishLabour leader Ed Miliband gave unequivocal sup-port to the Benghazi rebels and to the bombing of
Libya on the totally hypocritical basis that, “as
internationalists we have both the responsibilityand the opportunity to help enforce international
law and save innocents from slaughter”. UsingGaddafi’s foolish threat of "no mercy, and no pity”
he sanctioned the bombing which will result in farmore deaths than Gaddafi could have caused, but,
as an ‘unintended consequence’ will put the oil
resources of Libya in the hands of western Imperi-alism to invest in the markets of Wall street andthe City of London and divert it from schools,hospitals and welfare payments in Libya and in-vestments in other African countries.Jim Murphy MP, Labour's Shadow Defence Secre-tary gave the cue that the rest of the soft-left inBritain and internationally have followed,
“Inaction would have undermined the cause of
freedom not just for the hundreds of thousands of people who have risen up against Gaddafi in Libya,but in other countries where people are also fight-
ing for change.”
And just so as we are left in doubt about the La-
bour party’s position on Imperialism’s murderersMurphy writes; “our thoughts should be with all
British Forces around the world, including themore than 10,000 Britons in Afghanistan. Thoseundertaking courageous acts in the sky aboveLibya and in the Mediterranean should be given allthe support they need because their bravery iswhat enables the UN resolution to be enforced
and the Libyan people to be protected”. There is,
naturally, no concern about the civilians and fight-
ers blown to pieces ‘to save lives’ in Iraq, Afghani-
stan or now Libya only concern and praise for thekillers.The greatest proof that the "rebels" are nothingbut butchers and Libyan agents of Imperialism isthat they have invoked NATO bombing on theirown people, as did the collaborators at all times of the class struggle since the Paris Commune Thiers(1871) to Lebanon (2006). As each day passes itbecomes clearer that the native agents of Imperi-
alism are merely open cat’s paws for multinational
intervention in the country. They are racists andxenophobes, the enemies of all black workingclass Saharans in Libya. Inthe hunt
for "Gaddafi mercenaries” they seek to demoral-
ise the work force in the country, preparing it forthe super exploitation in a new era of extremeImperialist plunder. The Libyan "rebels" are abunch bourgeois turncoats from Gaddafi regimein favour of big business internationally.Political groupings claiming to be Marxists whoportray the popular uprisings in the Arab world asdiverted "revolutions" are demagogues, whoflatter and stupefy the masses while new pro-Imperialist bourgeois puppet governments arebeing stabilised. But the worst is when thesegroups in the name of supporting the Libyanmasses in their struggle for democracy, combinedwith Imperialist war propaganda by the worldmedia to cover up the CIA coup. Those who nowrefuse to establish a military front with Gaddafiexternally and internally to defeat the interests of Imperialism, betray the struggle and the fightagainst global Imperialism and the genocidal stateof Israel that massacres the Palestinians.We denounce the main international revisionistcurrents that formally share the following posi-tions:1) characterise the existence of an "Arab revolu-tion" or "democratic revolutions" in Africa and theMiddle East2) Support the pro-imperialist "rebels" in LibyaThese include the USFI (NPA-France), LIT (PSTU-Brazil), ITU (IzquierdaSocialista-Argentina), IMT(Socialist Appeal, Britain); CWI (Socialist PartyBritain): IST (SWP, Britain). FT (PTS-Argentina);FLTI (LOI-DO Argentina); L5I (Workers Power-Britain)It was the anti-working class, neoliberal policies of Gaddafi during the last decade that paved the waythis reaction. Gaddafi has established new agree-ments with Imperialism, destroying the gains of the process of nationalisation of the means of production and post-1969 energy resources. Gad-dafi banned trade unions and strikes and maderacist anti-immigrant agreements with Berlusconi,he has sponsored the election campaign of Sarkozy and privatized and made auctions withthe energy resources of Libya. Thus, the caudilloof Tripoli has lost popularity with the Libyan andAfrican population and fuelled the appetite of sectors of the native bourgeoisie to negotiatedirectly with Imperialism, freeing up Gaddafi clan.The masses can have no confidence in the anti-Imperialism of Gaddafi. Therefore we demand thearming of the whole Libyan people against Imperi-alism and the reactionary opposition. We demandthe unconditional defence of Libya against Imperi-alism and its agents. We demand a military unitedfront with Gaddafi against NATO and the royalist,CIA agent, "rebels" who are politically similar tothe pro-Imperialist Loyalists of the north of Ire-land, the Inkatha Freedom Party of South Africaor, more closely, the Contras of Nicaragua.This was the revolutionary tactics of Lenin andTrotsky before the Kornilov uprising, Kerensky'sformer general who tried to carry out a coup inRussia in August 1917. The Bolsheviks called for aunited front and military weapons to Kerenskydemanded at the same time that Kerensky beblamed for paving the path for reaction, and thusprepared a social revolution. Similarly, the reac-tion to the responsibility of Gaddafi for the coupwill drive the masses to combine the tasks of theanti-Imperialist struggle with the democratic andsocialist to move toward the establishment of aworkers and peasants government where the pan-Arabism of Gaddafi has stopped. The victory overthe counterrevolutionary Imperialist militaryoffensive would not only be a huge boost for theproletariat Libyan who could settle accounts withthe warlord of Tripoli, but would also give a hugeimpetus to the struggle of workers in Tunisia,Egypt, Bahrain, Ivory Coast, Palestine, Iraq andAfghanistan against Imperialism and the nativecapitalists.The first step towards this is to fight in our owncountries against the Imperialist bourgeoisie andsemi-colonial Britain, Brazil, South Africa. Weadvocate the defeat of our own governments, asallies against Imperialist recolonisation of theworld proletariat. We support the full right of theLibyan masses to seize the multinational British,Brazilian and South African companies and of allcapital in Libya to nationalise them without com-pensation under workers' control.
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Defeat Imperialism, Fight for the sovereignty,unity and independence of Libya with the meth-ods of permanent revolution!
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For a Military United Front with the Libyanarmy against pro-Imperialist INTC and against allgroups sponsored by the CIA!
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Build Revolutionary Committees in all work-places, colleges and regions against Imperialistintervention!
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For Constituent Assembly based on theserevolutionary committees.
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For a Workers and Farmers Government!
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In defence of the right to establish trade un-ions and the right to strike!
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No immigration control, equal rights andconditions for all immigrant workers!
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Workers' Control of work places and oil fields,food subsidies and essential goods, minimumliving wage, full employment, expropriation of allenterprises and Imperialist capitals

Quant au "Front Militaire Uni" avec l'armée libyenne...j'ai l'impression qu'ils ont un peu montés sur les lampadaires, mais bon, comme politique, c'est peut-être ce qu'il aurait fallu propulser dans des condition autres. Je vais dire si c'était possible de la faire. En tout cas, voila leur point de vue sur la question.

Je ne traduis pas, vu qu'on est sur un forum avec des "internationalistes pur jus"...

[yannalan]

"régime le plus antiimpérialiste, le plus égalitaire, le plus anti zioniste de la région et cible des impérialistes et de leurs agences de propagande"

Ca ce sont franchement des conneries. On dirait du Healy du temps où ils diffusaient le Petit Livre Vert en échange de financements. Les impérialistes se sont largement accommodés du régime en question.
Le camp d'en face n'est pas joli-joli non plus. La grosse trouille dans la région c'est surtout d’avoir une deuxième Somalie, et c'est pas l'intervention militaire qui va arranger les choses